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[272ownzu]

12.403 at 116 witha 2.0 sixty foot getting better with every pass. hopefully I will see elevens really soon.

[emagdnim]

Well, Now your the fastest FWD DSM in the club. Ever.

What do you have to say for yourself.

[272ownzu]

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[EvolvedDSM]

Originally posted by emagdnim
Well, Now your the fastest FWD DSM in the club. Ever.

What do you have to say for yourself.

He still has a MPH and a half to Gunner and we won't even mention JP.

[coltboostin]

Originally posted by emagdnim
Well, Now your the fastest FWD DSM in the club. Ever.

What do you have to say for yourself.

Wow, he is FWD?

Nice. You are still missing some MPH somewhere though. what kindof boost are you running?

If Gunner ever makes a pass with his new set up, 272 will be back down to #2. Rich should see no less than 10.5@no less than 130mph.

Evolved, I dont think most count me on the DSM list-but thanks for the thought. I guess Im in the "other"columb.

[emagdnim]

This isnt the north.

You guy's have the fastest FWD's in your club i'm sure.

I guess we can all get along, but member dues should be paid so we can claim you...;)

[coltboostin]

Originally posted by emagdnim
but member dues should be paid so we can claim you...;)

I can agree with that.

[272ownzu]

25lbs on 110, car will see 30lbs-33lbs for dsm shootout. We did find out that the turbo is in bad shape got it that way from jimmy dean shitty? yes, as soon as we fired it up at slomo for the first time we new something was weird about the turbo. I talked to some guys from fp and they want me to send it back to them for a rebuild. So thats what im doing an then it will be retuned and should be well over 500hp.

[coltboostin]

Originally posted by 272ownzu
25lbs on 110, car will see 30lbs-33lbs for dsm shootout. We did find out that the turbo is in bad shape got it that way from jimmy dean shitty? yes, as soon as we fired it up at slomo for the first time we new something was weird about the turbo. I talked to some guys from fp and they want me to send it back to them for a rebuild. So thats what im doing an then it will be retuned and should be well over 500hp.

How much did you make on Slomo's Dyno?

[emagdnim]

450

[coltboostin]

Again, not to upset-
But what happened to the other 120whp? With 450whp on a FWD DSM, you should be going 125mph or more.

If Dave's dyno is the equalizer, Slomo's dyno is the Ego Inflater.:rolleyes:

[272ownzu]

like I said thew turbo is almost dead in my own opinion Im done racing for about 2 weeks. Untill it gets fixed If i slapped it on the dyno it would probably make about 400-420. Anyways I dont know where you are getting 450 is equal to 125 plus traps on a full weight 2g there is a neon running around with 510 to the wheels weighing less than me and trapping 122 consistently. with a 1.6 sixty foot.

[coltboostin]

Originally posted by 272ownzu
like I said thew turbo is almost dead in my own opinion Im done racing for about 2 weeks. Untill it gets fixed If i slapped it on the dyno it would probably make about 400-420. Anyways I dont know where you are getting 450 is equal to 125 plus traps on a full weight 2g there is a neon running around with 510 to the wheels weighing less than me and trapping 122 consistently. with a 1.6 sixty foot.

I get it from somthing called experience, with car off all platformns and weights, and all kinds of power levels. Its the same experiecns that tells me Unless he is towing somthing, a Neon with 510whp will go better than 122mph. A local Neon (nonsrt-4) made 498whp. He went 10.9@129.7 the next day, with a 1.71 60ft. I can go on with examples if you like, but a well running 16g car should be going 116mph.

Trust me, I am not pulling this out of my ass here.

[272ownzu]

jhon from slomo for example 11.1 at 128 witha 1.7 sixty foot, so that neon had to be hella light to run the same trap and sixty but 1 second faster.

Also whats your problem the 10.7 at 133mph alot of mph for a 10.7.

[coltboostin]

Originally posted by 272ownzu
jhon from slomo for example 11.1 at 128 witha 1.7 sixty foot, so that neon had to be hella light to run the same trap and sixty but 1 second faster.

Also whats your problem the 10.7 at 133mph alot of mph for a 10.7.

What are you talking about?

I am saying- a car with Y whp that weights XXX lbs, should trap ruffly XYZ mph in the 1/4 mile, no matter what its drive type. Drive type (FWD/RWD/AWD) will have more of an invluence an ET.

So if you know 2 parts of tghe equasion, you can figre out the other.

Examples

498whp Neon, weights 2650lbs traped 129. THAT makes sense

405whp Colt, Weights 2400lbs-traped 126mph. THAT makes sense

My 500whp 2250lbs car traped 135-That makes sense

450whp 2g @ 2800ish lbs going 116mph- somthing is not right. Since trap speed is now yoor given, its eityher the WHP, the weight, or if the run was botched by a missed gear, ect... and the number is not accurate the to power output.

[272ownzu]

I wish my car weighed 2800lbs try about 3200 with me in it. which isnt alot more but more. Also thats fine to say that I should be running faster I will run faster. Its like your missing my first statement to you. The turbo is dead.

[emagdnim]

Dan you got to remember, if any numbers are off anywhere in the car Mr. Coltboostin will argue about it.

The turbo is seriously shot. I hate even hearing it run.

[EvolvedDSM]

Originally posted by emagdnim
This isnt the north.

You guy's have the fastest FWD's in your club i'm sure.

I guess we can all get along, but member dues should be paid so we can claim you...;)

This isn't the west either :P If you're secluding Columbus DSM to Columbus residents only, you'd have a pretty short list. The boys from the north are just as much a part of this community as Toopsie. In fact, I'd say more :cool

[emagdnim]

I made the mistake of thinking toops was a paid member... but then i really thought about how he puts his pants on so differently then the other fast guys here and it came to me.

Why would he want too?

[criitter7]

Originally posted by 272ownzu
12.403 at 116 witha 2.0 sixty foot getting better with every pass. hopefully I will see elevens really soon. :fruity :fruity :fruity

[Gunner]

338whp + 2825lbs = 118.33 mph

[OWNDJOO]

my awd talon was around the 390whp mark and was only trappin in the 115mph range consistently. although we could never figure out the tune, it was a gutted AWD car. there is no way your FWD 2g would weigh 3200 with you in it. i'm sure my AWD doesnt weigh that with my fat ass in it. if you are making over 400hp and not trapping 120+ you deserved slapped. and i'm talking AWD here as well.

[Gunner]

Originally posted by OWNDJOO
my awd talon was around the 390whp mark and was only trappin in the 115mph range consistently. although we could never figure out the tune, it was a gutted AWD car. there is no way your FWD 2g would weigh 3200 with you in it. i'm sure my AWD doesnt weigh that with my fat ass in it. if you are making over 400hp and not trapping 120+ you deserved slapped. and i'm talking AWD here as well.


Werd, which brings up a good point. The RUSTRKT was always basically a full weight car that tipped the scales at just over 3000lbs. There was no way that car was making much more than 400hp if at all. The car trapped 120mph.

[coltboostin]

agreed with above post(s)

I am not trying to get on your case, I wish the best for the members of the club. I am just pointing out that with your turbo, at 25+psi, and only 116mph traps, somthing is missing. If you were local, I would probably be helping you with the tune/.diagnosis.

[272ownzu]

there's noting to tune! the turbo is shot, wow I cant believe you guys arent hearing me. When it left slowmo it was like 44..somthing to the wheels. When it left slomo I raced little on the street it got worse as the time progressed. Basically like I have said 5 times the turbo is dead my car is running like a 400hp car and also why wouldnt my car weight 3100-3200 with me in it curb weight on a 2gfwd is beetween 2895-2995 dependin on what options you got. then put 170lbs person in it and all the weight i have added in mods.

[lucky]

so let me get this straight, your turbo is shot?:D

[OWNDJOO]

you just said it drove like a 400hp car....therefore it should be trapping higher:beer

[coltboostin]

Originally posted by 272ownzu
there's noting to tune! the turbo is shot, wow I cant believe you guys arent hearing me. When it left slowmo it was like 44..somthing to the wheels. When it left slomo I raced little on the street it got worse as the time progressed. Basically like I have said 5 times the turbo is dead my car is running like a 400hp car and also why wouldnt my car weight 3100-3200 with me in it curb weight on a 2gfwd is beetween 2895-2995 dependin on what options you got. then put 170lbs person in it and all the weight i have added in mods.


Hate to carry on, honestly...


But you did say you were making 26psi at the track. So, please define "shoot" turbo. You mentioned you got it from FP, and they will look at it for free (you will have to pay to ship of course). What is it doing (or not doing)?

[272ownzu]

I mentioned I got it from jimmy dean not fp. Mentioned that I spoke to fp on the phone about it. It makes a loud screech sound when itS running, even when I shut it off, it like winds down, look inside the housing and it is rubbing the housing. Plus it has shaft play.

[OWNDJOO]

but you still said it was making 26psi at the track........so it really doesn't matter if it's rubbing, it's still boosting.

[272ownzu]

What do you mean it doesnt matter if its rubbing. Yeah because the metal shavings are good for a motor and I would love for the shaft to break on me and my car pull it in....

[coltboostin]

Originally posted by 272ownzu
What do you mean it doesnt matter if its rubbing. Yeah because the metal shavings are good for a motor and I would love for the shaft to break on me and my car pull it in....

What he is saying is-You were making 26psi. 26psi is 26psi on YOUR turbo, period. You wont make 100whp less (which would put you in the power range to trap 116mph) with a compressor kissing 26psi vs a brang new turbo 26psi (all turbos being equal).

In summary, turbo wopped or not, you car@44xwhp@26psi, which makes sense, wnet 116mph, which makes no sense.

I can tell you from experience, if your making 26psi, it may be dieing, but its not dead. It wont spin hard enough to make 26psi.

Also, you should try to find a local rebuilder. You will get raped for shipping to FP and back.

[criitter7]

Originally posted by coltboostin
What he is saying is-You were making 26psi. 26psi is 26psi on YOUR turbo, period. You wont make 100whp less (which would put you in the power range to trap 116mph) with a compressor kissing 26psi vs a brang new turbo 26psi (all turbos being equal).

In summary, turbo wopped or not, you car@44xwhp@26psi, which makes sense, wnet 116mph, which makes no sense.

I can tell you from experience, if your making 26psi, it may be dieing, but its not dead. It wont spin hard enough to make 26psi.

Also, you should try to find a local rebuilder. You will get raped for shipping to FP and back.

no one on there first couple of passes will run the full expectacy of their setup. give the kid a break. your car at 2k pounds and 500hp should have gone faster than 135? i would hope so. but no one bitches about that.

now if it was end of season and hes had a whole season worth of passes than i could see you giving him a hard time but get off his nuts about a 116 pass after a hand full of passes.. expecially after goin from maybe 300hp to 450.

give him more track time and then see what it runs. until then quit acting like your god of fwd.

have a nice day :beer

[coltboostin]

Originally posted by criitter7
no one on there first couple of passes will run the full expectacy of their setup. give the kid a break. your car at 2k pounds and 500hp should have gone faster than 135? i would hope so. but no one bitches about that.

now if it was end of season and hes had a whole season worth of passes than i could see you giving him a hard time but get off his nuts about a 116 pass after a hand full of passes.. expecially after goin from maybe 300hp to 450.

give him more track time and then see what it runs. until then quit acting like your god of fwd.

have a nice day :beer

I am no god, and if you read, I have not "gotten on" him or given him shit. I want to help him find out what peice of the puzzle is missing. Like other issues, you can be working on them for hours with no luck, and have your boy walk over, find it , and fix it in 5 minutes. Thats how things work sometimes.

I do hope he gets it running strong.

Originally posted by criitter7
your car at 2k pounds and 500hp should have gone faster thanfaster than 135? i would hope so. but no one bitches about that.



It has never beenthat light-2280 with me in it- and I did go 136mph. :)

To add fuel to the fire, I never made 500whp either:D

[criitter7]

Originally posted by coltboostin
I am no god, and if you read, I have not "gotten on" him or given him shit. I want to help him find out what peice of the puzzle is missing. Like other issues, you can be working on them for hours with no luck, and have your boy walk over, find it , and fix it in 5 minutes. Thats how things work sometimes.

I do hope he gets it running strong.




ok then lets help him...

we've gotten past the part turbo part...obvouly its spooling 26psi the power is pretty much there..

what else is wrong?

what was ur 60ft time?

what rpm you launching? any kind of 2step or antilag?

how do you launch?

what size slick?

why does it dive for the wall?

is the aliagnment good? is it corner balanced?

track prep?...on wait it was at trails so we know what that is

temp outside?

these are really whats wrong with it... its not just the turbo

[coltboostin]

Originally posted by criitter7
ok then lets help him...

we've gotten past the part turbo part...obvouly its spooling 26psi the power is pretty much there..

what else is wrong?

what was ur 60ft time?

what rpm you launching? any kind of 2step or antilag?

how do you launch?

what size slick?

why does it dive for the wall?

is the aliagnment good? is it corner balanced?

track prep?...on wait it was at trails so we know what that is

temp outside?

these are really whats wrong with it... its not just the turbo


Well, the 60ft wont affect MPH all that much. If he was makign the power on the dyno, uless the dyno has a sever bias or does not mimic street load, he could have an issue with pulled timming due to knocjk. I have seen that befor-Tuned good ona dyno- and its all fucked up on the street, or is at a different boost level due to the different load the street puts on the motor.

Did he hit all gears? Were the runs loged? That will tell a lot.

[criitter7]

Originally posted by coltboostin
Well, the 60ft wont affect MPH all that much. If he was makign the power on the dyno, uless the dyno has a sever bias or does not mimic street load, he could have an issue with pulled timming due to knocjk. I have seen that befor-Tuned good ona dyno- and its all fucked up on the street, or is at a different boost level due to the different load the street puts on the motor.

Did he hit all gears? Were the runs loged? That will tell a lot.

every single one of those problems i listed could and would effect mph.

[ucsigep]

Originally posted by criitter7
every single one of those problems i listed could and would effect mph.

60' won't make much difference at all. It affects ET, not MPH.

[coltboostin]

Originally posted by ucsigep
60' won't make much difference at all. It affects ET, not MPH.

He speaks the truth.

As mentioned befor, I speak form experience. I see the same MPH +/- 1mph with street tires or slicks-but the ET drops more than a second.

thats why in drag racing mph is used to determine general power output. ET is all about getting a good 60ft.

[272ownzu]

The timing could be being effected. The ems is weird about dyno tuning, I do believe hopefully mike c. will chime in? The ems needs to be logged during passes, my timing could be dramatically changed from track to dyno. Which would then explain the times. The 60ft was 2.0 i can go faster in et but not much in mph. the car made 440 something at 7300rpm the most i have taken it to was 7000. Iam still learning how to drive the car. It went towards the wall because of tire pressure not being exact in the 2 wheels 11psi-7psi.:eek. I know you arent trying to affend me colt but then again every post in the track times youve made has been discouraging to people. Like cory from slomo went a 9.9-something and you were telling him he had to much trap for his et something was wrong?

[ucsigep]

I don't see any of his comments as discouraging. He is saying "something is wrong, you should look into it."

I agree with him, for the power made on the dyno, you definitely should have higher traps. As to what it is, a log is needed from a pass or two. Timing is a prime candidate. If you don't have logs from the recent passes, be sure to log the next trip to the track.

As much as you annoyed me (and others) in the past, I want to see you do well. We're all just trying to help, keep that in mind when people post. Would you rather he say "good job," even though there is obviously something wrong? I'd rather be told "not bad, but something isn't right."

[272ownzu]

I understand he is here to help, but what should I do? I think it is the turbo. Im not lying about the dyno we can ask corey from slomo. I think there is something missing. Should I worry about the turbo? Should I run it again and just get a log?

[EvolvedDSM]

Originally posted by ucsigep
As to what it is, a log is needed from a pass or two. Timing is a prime candidate.

[ucsigep]

Originally posted by 272ownzu
I think it is the turbo.

so is the turbo making boost? If no, then that's the problem. If it is making boost, it's not the cause of the problem. It may BE a problem, but it's not the cause of the low mph.

[coltboostin]

Originally posted by 272ownzu
The timing could be being effected. The ems is weird about dyno tuning, I do believe hopefully mike c. will chime in? The ems needs to be logged during passes, my timing could be dramatically changed from track to dyno. Which would then explain the times. The 60ft was 2.0 i can go faster in et but not much in mph. the car made 440 something at 7300rpm the most i have taken it to was 7000. Iam still learning how to drive the car. It went towards the wall because of tire pressure not being exact in the 2 wheels 11psi-7psi.:eek. I know you arent trying to affend me colt but then again every post in the track times youve made has been discouraging to people. Like cory from slomo went a 9.9-something and you were telling him he had to much trap for his et something was wrong?

Are you running AEM EMS?

If so, loggin is simple. There is a log option in the toolbox. Just go to start log, and take it for a rip on the street.

As for Corey, I give him nothing but props. He silenced the haters, including me. I will never question a legit car such as that. I will admit I questioned the dyno#'s at such low boost (still know he was runing more, the trq #'s were too high for 25-26psi), but after he traped 149mph, then that shows that he was near or over 700whp. Big boost or not, thats awsome.

[272ownzu]

Yes aem ems, logs are simple... if you have a laptop. I dont which I understand . spend all that money on a new aem ems and no way to log? Me and mike c. have discussed this.

[Mike C]

Here are a few remarks without me never seeing or knowing much about the Toops 2006 setup.

1.) He needs to post an actual dynograph up. Making some peak number obviously doesn't tell much about how fast the car will go down the track. It sounds to me from reading this that his car made a number on the dyno that was beyond what he's even shifting it at. What good is a peak number if its higher than the shift? How much torque and hp did the car make at 6000rpm?

2.) He needs a laptop and needs to actually DATALOG a pull. I will not knock Corey's Dynapack because I am still learning more about it myself and how it works. It has been my recent experiences though that the number that you use for the duration of the pull does greatly effect the car's power curve (on the dyno sheet) and how the tune translates to the street. Put it this way, if his car is anything like mine was, he may have been tuned for say 12.0 A/Fs and optimal timing and then may have been fat as hell and not have nearly enough timing. This is all conjecture on my part but it is what my experience has been so far with that dyno.

I made trips to the dyno (1 at Corey's and 1 at Buschur's Mustang dyno). They were about 1 week apart and nothing was changed on the car. The overall curve of the car were the same but the powerband was greatly moved towards redline (by about 1000RPM) on the dynapack by comparison. The A/F ratio was fatter by almost 2 whole points. I was in the middle of troubleshooting something more important so I didn't spend any real time adjusting the tune.

I really do think that very accurate results can be obtained with the Dynapck compared to the track as most people really love the dyno. I just need to get used to it.