Somethings Wrong

[SmokinEAGLE]

The tranny, ss clutch line, used 2600, with new TOB and disc, and short shifter are all installed finally. But what the fuck, when the car is started the cltuch will not dissengage and go into any gear. The line has been blead some, the master cylinder clutch rod adjusted both in and out to no avail. To make matters worse, there is a high pitched squeeking noise from the crank pully side when the clutch pedal is pushed in a little, or if the clutch pedal is adjusted all the way out, it makes the noise with no pedal movement. I pried on the crank pully tonight, and have checked for flywheel movement recently and there are no visible signs of crankwalk. The flywheel has never been touched, but there were no problems with my act 2100. WTF is going on?

[BlackEclipse]

Can you force it into 1st gear (without clutch) with the engine off while the car is up on jackstands and then start it like that to see if it will actually go in gear and the wheels will turn???

Are you sure you properly mated the tranny to the block?

Did you use a stock Mitsubishi Throw-out bearing? I thought the ACT 2600 required an aftermarket throw-out bearing.

[biglipps66]

I used a stock mitsu tob with my 2600.. no issues. They actually say NOT TO USE the metal one that comes with the 21/2600 setup.


Mike brings up a good point.. can you smack it into gear will sitting still ??

[ucsigep]

I used whatever the one RRE sends with it, which isn't a mitsu tob, but I've had no problems what so ever.

And as long as the tranny wasn't removed from the block for the driveshaft, it was up and in correctly, just not torqued down when I left.

[biglipps66]

RRE didnt give me one in the box I was sold :rolleyes Maybe because I was the annoying kid from ohio that called about 10 times looking to get a dead clutch replaced, only then to go to a bunch of japanese guys to have it done.. which ended up being ok afterall.. the end.

[Gunner]

I've used a Federal Mongrol, and an ACT "Nachi" TOB so far with no problems. That isn't his issue. The clutch either isn't disengaging enough due to not enough throw on the clutch fork to relase the diaphragm, or he somehoe miraculously got crankwalk between the RnR of the tranny. Being that the clutch wasn't new, the diaphragm could be pooped too. At this point it's pretty much decided that the tranny has to come back out to inspect what's going on in the bellhousing, and possibly shim the pivot ball to get more throw on the release fork. This is assuming the system is fully bled, and the hydraulics are solid. Which he says they appear to be. He mentioned a squeak coming from the timing belt side with the clutch engaged. He did also tried putting in gear and then starting the car at which point the car jolts forward because the clutch won't disengage.

[GSXLR8]

could be the clutch pedal is worn...can you pull it up further after you let it rise?

if so, it needs to be replaced or repaired....ive got one in my driveway that is having the pedal assembly swapped.

[GSXLR8]

ok...I'm slow today..ignore that last post...it is on a 1g...can only happen on a 1g...and you dont drive a 1g wtf

as far as act tob's ive heard from many many places that you should NEVER use the ACT ones.....for the additional 20 bucks, ive always just gone with OEM.

[Gunner]

....and of all the people/places that have said using the ACT TOB is a bad idea, how many have said WHY they believe this. Look at a TOB and what it is and does. Tell me, what does the fact that it is metal or plastic that rides on the shaft have to do with it functioning properly. With a metal one you'll simply be more prone to hearing it rattle around a bit when it's worn. If you can come up with a honest to God reason as to why you shouldn't use one then by all means go for it, until then I wouldn't knock it. The material isn't going to effect the performance on something that has such a simple operation, it's simply the middle man between the fork and the diaphragm.

That said, if they are so crappy, why does Buschur only stock the ACT ones now.

[jplong]

i got a reason why....the inner piece that slides on the input shaft housing tend to wear and get crooked and make the clutch stick in. now maybe this is more proone to CW victims and the extra 1/8" the fork/bearing was traveling. but it just looked like it wore and fell apart inside on that surface prematurely.. WHo know hough this may be one of those things that just happens. Personally ...i dont care...its a freakin bearing.

[BlackEclipse]

Status update on Mike Whitlow's car:

The wrong pressure plate bolts were used. Somebody stuck bolts in there that were twice as long as the correct ones. So things were not tightened down like they should have been.

I measured the endplay on Mr. Whitlows car:

between 0.004 or 0.0045 well within spec

His car is also a "95" like mine. I guess he got the "good" engine.

[SmokinEAGLE]

well, all is well, see post in General for the full story. Measured crank play too, .004'' wasssssaaaaap. So everything should be put back together thursday night, or as soon as the flywheel gets resurfaced if someone is willing to help tmw or sunday(jeff, sam, jp, ken).

[Iwishiwascool]

i have to both move and reassemble my car this weekend/early week. Otherwise I will be pushing my car 2 blocks to the new home

[biglipps66]

Its ok NOW.... but how long after that 2600 is in place... will his car move that number up a bit.. HOPEFULLY not.. but you never know.

[SmokinEAGLE]

i poop on you john

[SmokinEAGLE]

fuck this, having to pull the tranny a 3rd time. we put the correct bolts in and stepped the flywheel and it still wont dissengage. it seems all thats left is the mother fucking used 2600 i have. so, we are taking it all back apart and putting the 2100 back in.

[DSM614]

you put the back bolt in right? goes in from the backside???

[EvolvedDSM]

you put the back bolt in right? goes in from the backside???
yes

[Brian Azad]

Its ok NOW.... but how long after that 2600 is in place... will his car move that number up a bit.. HOPEFULLY not.. but you never know.

The clutch has no effect on CW.

[MitsubishiGirl]

The clutch has no effect on CW

wtf Excuse me?

[jplong]

brian what have you been smoking?

[ucsigep]

no doubt, I want some of whatever it is...

[Iwishiwascool]

and fuel causes hydro lock

right brian?

[MitsubishiGirl]

...and he changes his blinker fluid on a weekly basis too...so it don't "over heat"

:Owned

[Brian Azad]

I could explain it if you like.

[MitsubishiGirl]

Please do...inquiring minds would like to hear this...

[Brian Azad]

The clutch is bolted to the flywheel, so when the clutch is engaged all that pressure is comming from the flywheel, back into itself.

You can take a crank and a flywheel out of an engine, bolt them together, and bolt a ACT 2600 to it and hold the whole thing in your hands. The clutch is engaged, but the whole thing doen't want to fly out of your hands does it? No, because there is no pressure comming from anywhere. Its the same when its in your engine.

The only time there is horizontal pressure, is when you press the clutch pedal and the clutch from disengages the pressure plate. At that point, yes the 2600 in applying more pressure on your crank than a stock clutch.

So I have to take back what I said somewhat. When you are just cruising, the clutch doesn't make a damn difference, but when you press the pedal, it does make a difference. Now if the clutch were theoretically bolted to something else, then yes it could constantly be accelerating CW. Its tough to explain when not in person.

Hows that?

[Brian Azad]

Some people think that the clutch is constantly killing your engine. I just wanted to clear up that thats not the case.

[EvolvedDSM]

I think you just caused more confusion wtf

[ucsigep]

Yes, I think Jamie's right...

The whole thing is when you engage the clutch, it puts pressure on the crank. That's why you disconnect the clutch wire, so you can start the car without engaging the clutch, don't ride the clutch at lights, and don't downshift when slowing down. The less you have to depress the clutch, the better.

[M 4 L k i 3 R]

Good thing I dont own a 2G, cuz I do all 3 of those.

[Iwishiwascool]

yeah azad, thats the exact reason a stronger clutch accelerates CW, the horizontal pressure placed on the crank at what point?... starting the car, and starting from a stop, when oil pressure is lowest.

Never was it claimed that there was an accelerating factor in the mere presence of the heavier pressure plate.

[Brian Azad]

yeah azad, thats the exact reason a stronger clutch accelerates CW, the horizontal pressure placed on the crank at what point?... starting the car, and starting from a stop, when oil pressure is lowest.

Never was it claimed that there was an accelerating factor in the mere presence of the heavier pressure plate.


Like I said, some people have the wrong idea about how the whole thing is affected.

[Iwishiwascool]

The clutch has no effect on CW.

Like I said, some people have the wrong idea about how the whole thing is affected.

So their Idea that putting a clutch with a greater clamping force will accelerate the onset of crankwalk...which im sure you can agree is this "idea" that they have.... is the wrong one?

I doubt there is much difference in whether they think a clutch will accelerate the onset when its depressed or all the time, it is important however that they understand that the presence of that stronger clutch will indeed help that crank grind down those bearings. And I think its safe to say that people here do.


/where is the digging a hole emoticon?

Bow out gracefully, its ok. One time john said fuel causes hydrolock. We all make mistakes.

[biglipps66]

One time john said fuel causes hydrolock. We all make mistakes.

Yup we do. Even YOU make mistakes ken ;)

[Brian Azad]

I don't need to bow out, and I did not make a mistake except to not be clear on what I was talking about.

I don't know where John got that thing with fuel and hydro lock though.

[DSM614]

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