lifters

[trbotln]

i was reading vfaq about cleaning your lifters has anyone done this?they say you cant put to much liquid in theengine that it could ruin the engine i was wanting to clean mine cause my ticking is horrible but i dont wanna try it if i might ruin my engine.so i was wondering if its hard to put to much liquid in it or if its a pretty easy process.thanks

[GSXLR8]

check out the articles on it in www.vfaq.com
the chemical is called MCCC (mopar combustion chamber cleaner)
you'd better know what you are doing before you do it.

[biglipps66]

well to clean lifters you need to take them out actually..

I used MCCC on my 1G... stuff does wonders. Good for cleaning valves and carbon buildup.

If youve never done a timing belt.. dont bother taking out the lifters.. cause if you cannot get 1 back in.. you'll need to take off the cam to do so.. which is way overboard if your a noob.

[Mike C]

I believe the shop manual says to only use diesel fuel when cleaning them.

[jplong]

brake parts cleaner worked on justins spyder

[trbotln]

Anyone ever tried cleaning them like this?
Anyways here's a "low-buck" solution that's guaranteed to put a
smile on you face. BTW, I have 16 new lifters for sale that I prematurely
bought before trying one of the oldest tricks in the book (and now, one of
my favorite).

Material You Will Need:

1-quart Dexron II Transmission Fluid
1-quart of cold water
2-feet of Vacuum tubing
4-New NGK BP7ES spark plugs (BR7ES-11 non-turbo)
1-quart of any brand "motor flush"
5-quarts of Fresh Mobil-1 15W-50 Oil
1-New Oil Filter

First, make sure your Diamond Star is up to normal operating temperature.
Find the direct-port vacuum line at the throttle body and on the driver's
side of the manifold (where the VPC pressure sensor is usually plumbed into).

Have a friend bring the engine speed of the car up to 3500 rpm. Run your
vacuum line to the direct-port source at the throttle body. Submerse the
other end in the bottle of transmission fluid. Keeping the tube slghtly
pinched, regulate the flow of fluid into the engine as your friend works the
throttle to keep engine speed between 3500 and 4500 rpm. Large puffs, no,
LARGE CLOUDS of smoke will begin to emit from the tailpipe and possibly
under the hood (if you have any exhaust leaks). After half of the bottle is
used. Repeat with the water using half of that bottle. After you locate the
vacuum port on the driver's side of the manifold, repeat the process. First
use the tranny fluid, then follow with the water.

When you finish this process which will remove the carbon buildup within the
cylinder, follow the manufacturers directions for the engine oil "motor flush."
Follow with an oil change and replace the plugs (the chamber cleaning
process can foul the plugs). That's it, you're done.

Now, go out and drive the car and feal the power. If your valves were gummed
up before, it'll feel like these an extra 20 ponies under the hood as
throttle response will be tremendous.

Since my car had so many mile on it, I repeated this process at the next oil
change. For the heck of it, I did a cylinder leakdown test. The results were
amazing...two percent leakdown in each cylinder. Typically, cars with this
kind of mileage would be happy to see 6 to 12 percent.

Giving You A Lift,
Michael Ferrara


Anyone ever tried cleaning them like this?

[BlackEclipse]

that was written long before they came out with the "new & improved" lifter design.....even if you clean you stock lifters, they will only start ticking again in a few months.

and from what I have heard on DSMtalk, even the 99 model DSM's still did not have the updated lifters in them.

[trbotln]

so im better off buying new lifters?whats the price on that?

[BlackEclipse]

maybe 120 for a set of 16???

do a search on DSMTalk to find the topic. There's a company somewhere that makes them and supplies them to Mitsubishi and you get a sweet deal on them as compared to what dealerships will charge for them.

[BlackEclipse]

I am not sure about the technique for replacing them while the camshafts are still in....but if you are already taking the head off or you are about to do a timing belt change then this would be a good time to swap them out.

Very easy to replace when you have the camshafts out.

You just need to remember to bleed the new ones with a paper clip. They should be able to be easily squeezed/compressed with you fingers if you have bled them. On my old ones the holes were so small you could not use a paperclip...maybe a needle would have been necessary.

[BlackEclipse]

see the difference in the holes for yourself (the ruler is metric with the smallest tick marks being millimeters):

http://www.columbusdsm.com/resources/knowledge_base/images/Dscn2140_medium.jpg

[koritina]

http://www.eagleautomotivewarehouse.com/Imports/Mitsubishi/4G63_Prices.htm

That's the place with the lifters..

[GSXLR8]

I know of a place that has them even cheaper....sprobably the same place mike got them from....I have the phone umber and address at work..I can post it tomorrow....they come to 126 shipped (give or take a dollar) many people have used this guy as a source and had great service.

[Mike C]

My '99 has/had the newer lifters.

[BlackEclipse]

I think the 99's had bigger holes on the tops of the lifters but not quite as large as the ones that I installed on my car. Or the holes may be the same size but there is something internally different about them.

I was trying to find the original link on DSMTalk about the lifters but it appears to have rolled off. Someone fell alseep at the switch on DSMTalk. Pertinent information disappears and is lost forever....then somebody asks the question again and the whole topic has to start over again from scratch. bunch of bullshit.

Most of the info on VFaq (to me) is out of date.

[BlackEclipse]

Here is remnants of info on DSMTAlk:

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ea716792166767a458d6d37d2798eba6&threadid=42413&highlight=revised+and+lifters

The guy who you once ordered them from was Dave McKInney for 7.74 a piece. He no longer works there. But there is a new guy you order them from.

Phone number: 1-888-855-9712

New guys name is Bryan.

Just asked for a set of 16 revised lifters for your Eclipse and that you are part of ClubDSM and you learned about them on DSMTalk.

Who knows what the price is now. It might be the same $7.74 price for all I know....that is $123.84

[BlackEclipse]

I don't know anything about that Eagle Automotive place listed above but that previous link that I gave you from DSMTalk is where i got mine.

[trbotln]

thanks alot for the info i think this while be a project in the near feature not sure how much longer i can take this horrible ticking noise!

[BlackEclipse]

Mine was so bad (and embarassing) that I had to shut my car off when ordering at a drive thru.

[96talontsi]

SWEET! I'm already learning, I am sure that you guys are talking about a problem that my gfs TSi is making. If I have a shop to the timing belt then how much more would I be charged to have the lifters done at the same time, for installation assuming I get the parts myself for that part of the project?

[BlackEclipse]

i would say only 2 more hours of labor should be charged for them ....but you will have to supply the updated lifters.

All the work they must do in addition to T belt change:

1) remove plastic spark plug wire cover
2) unplug spark plug wires from spark plugs
3) remove valve cover
4) unbolt camshaft bearing caps and remove
5) remove camshafts
6) remove rockers
7) pull out lifters
8) bleed new lifters
9) install new lifters
10) re-install rockers
11) re-install camshafts
12) re-install bearing caps/bolts - torqued in proper sequence
13) re-install valve cover with some ultra gray RTV in some spots
14) re-install spark plug wires
15) re-install plastic spark plug wire cover

[Mike C]

You could always get these: http://www.crco.com/sla_theory.html :D