I've got problems....

[harry's94tsi]

Ok we all know (or at least some of us know) my little newb adventure with ghost, and how that same night my starter went out on me. well fast forward to today.

i get in my car, she wont start...at all. she will turn like the starter motor is working but the engine WILL NOT TURN. so i call up the shop in BFE and tell them about it they say call a tow truck have it towed out there and they will fix everything for free b/c their work is garanteed. (oh and they would pick up the tow too). i get a call a few hours later, its the BFE shop, they say the starter is fine but its the "Ring bearing" (you have to understand i was a little mad at the time im not sure EXACTLY what he said was wrong)

but basically all the crap that they did was fine and the motor itself is Fing up now. grand total shall we........
348.00-parts
450.00-labor (approx.)
110.00-tow!!! yes tow!!
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908.00+tax

does anyone know anything about this? is it all BS? What does the starter hook up to on the engine? is there anyway this piece(s) could have gone bad? any help would help me out soooo much, thanks again guys, sorry this is so long.

[koritina]

Starter hits a ring gear on the flywheel. They can eventually wear out, just like everything else.

[harry's94tsi]

jamie says:
"They're probably talking about the ring gear--basically the teeth that surround the flywheel that the starter grabs hold of to get the engine going. It is possible that some of the teeth are damaged/broken. There is an inspection plate on the bottom of the engine/tranny that you can take off to look for yourself. It's only 3 small bolts holding on a flimsy piece of metal. I can get you a diagram later. "

im starting to see why everyone misses him so much, i don't even know him but i kinda wish he still lived here :)

Does anyone have any item numbers for the ring gear and any other neccessary components i would need to replace the worn/broken pieces? prices? im trying to see how much parts would cost to do it myself. would advanceauto have something like this or would i have to go to chrysler?

[koritina]

If you are going to replace the ring gear, you should go ahead and replace the clutch, pp, fork, and pivot ball. Since you're going to have to take the tranny out to do so. :rolleyes However, I do have a flywheel with a good ring gear on it, if you want it pm me. No way would I suggest getting the flywheel itself resurfaced, as it would be lots of $$$ and very risky.

[EvolvedDSM]

He's got an auto tranny, which means the ring gear is part of the torque converter and doesn't appear to be replaceable w/o getting a new converter.

[koritina]

Ohh.. :cuss Autos.. In that case, I have no idea..

[harry's94tsi]

Ohh.. :cuss Autos.. In that case, I have no idea..

good to know one of the more knowledgable people here just said that about my car. its cool, you guys have helped me out a TON so far. now all i need is a list of parts needed and numbers. hmmm.... anyone have any websites to suggest?

[neco]

If you need a new one you might as well upgrade. ;)

http://www.protorque.com/ or http://www.protorque.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=26&cat=Mitsubishi

Here's another place but you'll have to contact them for pricing http://www.dunrite-converters.com/

[EvolvedDSM]

Auto vs Manual

[harry's94tsi]

ok so if i go by that diagram... would i just need a new torque converter? or would i also need part number 4 possibly number3. or is all that included in a torque converter? im looking at performance models at those links, 450.00 actually doesnt sound too bad considering the price they wanted at the shop.

[EvolvedDSM]

A new torque converter is all you would need.

[neco]

Call and make sure you know exactly what you're getting. Know what pros and cons with different models before you buy. :thumb

I'm going to get a better one eventually. But I'm not fixing something that's not broke. ;)

[neco]

I just found out the rattle noise in my car could be the torque converter so I might be getting one sooner then I expected. :cuss

[koritina]

Forgotten post anyone?

Did they put in the right starter? Sam had that FWD vs AWD starter / flywheel difference problem awhile back. If the starter spins fine, but doesn't sound like it / feel like it is catching on anything, then it could be they installed an AWD starter in your FWD.

That sound right?

[EvolvedDSM]

I've gotten a few PMs. He's still at the mercy of the shop, but hasn't committed to anything. He also said he would be w/o a computer for about a week.

I think all 4g63 starters are the same, it's the flywheels that vary in radius between fwd/awd.

[BlackEclipse]

starters are different

I posted a while back the differences. I "think" 1G & 2G FWD 5-speeds all use the same part #. The 1G starters were discontinued and the replacement is the 2g starter.

And I think all starters for automatics are different than all the ones used for any 5-speed.

I think you might have put in the wrong starter. It is VERY hard to believe that a ring gear is bad. if your ring gear is bad then I would make sure that you also have the correct starter. The starter (if the wrong one) may not quite mesh with the gears and is clipping off the edges hence ruining the ring gear.

[harry's94tsi]

ok im here (brother computer)....

after a day of making phone calls and hassling people i dont even know. i found out they did use the RIGHT starter, i still have the part number and everything. i asked some other mechanics at other shops and they all said that it is plausable that the ring gear could've gone out, of course its not exactly a common thing to happen but then again we're not talking about a common car are we :)

i have also explored the fact that the starter solenoid on the starter might be bad/broken...not the case. starter is fine, it is the ring gear that is FUBARed. how it got that way, im afraid to ask. it would make sence if it was the wrong size starter that over the course of two weeks eventually wore down the ring gear.

does anyone have access to/own a lift? to get to the Torque converter/ring gear it is easiest to have the car on a lift (ive never done it before but it makes sence to me) anyone have any stock part numbers for a 1g auto Fwd TOrque converter?

[DSM614]

you dont need a stinking lift... :thumb

[neco]

Na... just a jack and some jackstands. :thumb

[koritina]

All of which are easy to get. :D :thumb

Now the question is, where to do it at? I take it the car won't start at all. So that proves a problem. Alex, has offered, if we can get the car there. Tranny's on 1g's aren't that hard. Especially on FWD, no output shaft.. :cuss

[Caine]

Well he has a friend with a garage that doesnt live to far away from the bp considering it was my house he was leaving when it broke down. I cant beleive you havent got in touch with me already. I have all you need to do it lol. Anaywas just give me a call.

Edit: 200TH POST!!!!!!! :thumb

[koritina]

Would you know where to start with replacing the tourque converter?

The three of us that would be helping, however, have installed / removed too many tranny's in the past two months. :rolleyes

[neco]

I would offer my AAA basic to towe it. Hook up and drop off is free and first 3 miles is free. You'll have to pay $2/mile there after. I have a garage and the tools needed to do the job. However, if we wait till marc's engine install is done, then we can ask Sam to borrow his hoist. But it is not "nessasary."

If you know anyone with AAA Plus then they can get you towed for free up to 100 miles. ;)

[Iwishiwascool]

It basicly has to be an on the road break down for them to tow it. Trust me ive had many many AAA plus tows. I once tried to do it when my tranny was out and they refused. I wanted to do it when it was motorless but I knew they wouldnt.

Now if the car is together and at least looks like it could run... you just push it into the street and say the fuel pump died or something.

[neco]

They've never asked me what happened or why the car needs towed. Every time I call they just ask me where it is and if it has valid tags. I just tell them I need a towe and that's that. Maybe because when they look up my last name they get confused? (Hsieh)

[koritina]

Ryan's car looks fine though. It's in one piece, so it'd be fine.

We towed Marc's non-working car, with AAA, to my house. :D