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Mike C
05-10-2004, 12:16 AM
I want to update everyone on what's going on with my car. I'm not trying to draw any attention to myself but answering the same questions over and over again in person, on the phone, and on the board has become a little overwhelming and annoying. I figure I will just post the current status instead of sounding like a broken record to myself:

The good
As many know, the car did really well on the dyno and made good power. The car made 532whp and 665whp with nitrous. It also made 601 ft/lbs of torque with spray which was really impressive. (See Jake, a 2.0l can still make mad torque :D ). There is still some room for improvement. I'm going to start by getting rid of the big Baer brakes which will free up another 20hp or so. The turbo spools very well for being so big and the idle and driveability of the car is truely awesome considering the mods on the car. I now have the car back here in Columbus.

The bad
When the T-case and driveshaft went back into the car, we began running into problems. The main issue is that the load placed on the car in 4wd and on the street is a good bit greater than the Dynojet. (This is where the newer 4wd dynos will have a nice advantage). We began to run into fuel delivery problems around 6800RPMs or so. My current fuel setup is 2 255hp pumps. The plan was for 1 pump to run all the time and the 2nd pump to only come on when I was spraying. Basically, the 1 pump just couldn't cut it. If we ran both pumps, the fuel delivery is there but the tuning headaches were aweful. We can't get a stable A/F ratio because the 2 pumps kind of fight each other and aren't stable enough. The solution: Fuel cell, external pump, -10 line up, and -8 line back. A lot of extra work, firewall fabrication, moving the battery(again), N20 bottle move ETC. Its going to take some time and I'm a little grouchy about it.

The Ugly
Dave B trailored the car here on Friday and my friend Mark met him because I was at Midohio. They met at my warehouse on campus and Mark was going to drive the car to GC for me. All of the dyno and road tuning so far has been done with no air filter on the turbo. I told Mark though that I wanted him to put the pipe and filter on before he drove it to GC. He did. Everything was fine until he got off the freeway and he heard a bucking sound and screech. He limped it home and pulled the filter off. The compressor wheel wasn't spinning. I got home tonight and pulled to compressor cover off only to find the remnants of a chewed up washer that destroyed the compressor wheel and had it seized up to the cover. Fortunately, it looks like it all stayed there and didn't force its way up through the intake tract. I reinstalled the cover and the car fired right up with the wheel spinning and rubbing the cover slightly. The turbo is now off the car completely and will be on its way up there tomorrow. It really was a fluke and nobody's fault directly. I'm guessing the washer got lodged in 1 of the pleats on the inside of the filter and then finaaly pulled itself loose.

So thats where I'm at. Hopefully things will come together quickly but I won't be running anytime soon. I have alot of things to clean up on the car while its down and address some shadiness issues that Switzer pointed out. My new goals are to get things going by early July so I can get things dialed in before the Shootout. I was excited to have a lot of runs but oh well....shit happens I guess.

V8hunter
05-10-2004, 12:26 AM
i love u michael

talon guy
05-10-2004, 12:27 AM
wow :bow nice power, kinda sucks bout the turbo though, but all is good...i cant wait to finally c it :beer

DSM614
05-10-2004, 12:32 AM
Good god race cars are a pain...

M 4 L k i 3 R
05-10-2004, 01:48 AM
I'm glad you have so much patience, Mike. Seeing the finish/start line like that, then going to bad then UGLY......just wow. Good luck man.

Drop me a line if you want to borrow the fuel cell for a test fit.

AWDGSX415
05-10-2004, 05:08 AM
damn!! I would like to see what kind of numbers you pull at the track once you get her up and running and fully tuned! Keep us up to date. :thumb

OWNDJOO
05-10-2004, 10:32 AM
damn, mike, that sux. i wish i had your patience, maybe i wouldn't have messed the car up so quickly. i've decided to not drive the car until ALL shadiness is gone and running well. i hope u can get it up and running soon and have fun with the car. should get a bigger compressor now, that washer was a sign to go bigger :thumb

biglipps66
05-10-2004, 10:33 AM
You have much patience for sure. I would have lost patience when the washer went into the turbo :eek

DQ Driver
05-10-2004, 11:01 AM
go for the 14b record

Mike C
05-10-2004, 11:06 AM
What did Jamie run on the T25?

DQ Driver
05-10-2004, 11:12 AM
weaksauce 13.40's... show him "who's the boss", tony danza style


you can fight for my friendship. there is only room in my heart for one of you guys, it hurts too much

Mike C
05-10-2004, 11:18 AM
13.20 or bust. His record goes down in 1 month. I better get the fuel cell in first though.

Jarod
05-10-2004, 11:28 AM
Damn that sucks mike :nono

MikeyboyTSi
05-10-2004, 11:32 AM
For your fuel system, I'm curious as to why you picked going all the way with a cell and external pump(s).

On my '92, I'm ending up with a 255lph pump feeding a small swirl pot from the factory fuel tank, with a larger Bosch -044 pump feeding the rail from the swirl pot. It allows me to get a TON of fuel to the rail, while keeping the factory tank and eliminating surge under cornering and braking. I considered a fuel cell with dual external pumps, but this was a more cost-effective and simpler solution for me. Granted though, my car is setup for road-racing, not drag.

Please read that I am NOT criticizing your decision IN ANY WAY. I'm just curious as to why a fuel cell (and the work to go with it) was selected over something else.

EvolvedDSM
05-10-2004, 11:37 AM
13.577 pwnz joo!

Iwishiwascool
05-10-2004, 11:40 AM
For your fuel system, I'm curious as to why you picked going all the way with a cell and external pump(s).

On my '92, I'm ending up with a 255lph pump feeding a small swirl pot from the factory fuel tank, with a larger Bosch -044 pump feeding the rail from the swirl pot. It allows me to get a TON of fuel to the rail, while keeping the factory tank and eliminating surge under cornering and braking. I considered a fuel cell with dual external pumps, but this was a more cost-effective and simpler solution for me. Granted though, my car is setup for road-racing, not drag.

Please read that I am NOT criticizing your decision IN ANY WAY. I'm just curious as to why a fuel cell (and the work to go with it) was selected over something else.

no no, He has the stock tank now with 2 pumps. That is a tooning nightmare so the next step is a cell with a humangous external pump.

MikeyboyTSi
05-10-2004, 11:52 AM
Nope, I understood that completely. I was asking why he's selected a cell and external pump rather than other solutions to the fuel problem.

Iwishiwascool
05-10-2004, 11:54 AM
well he can answer that himself but I would imagine that it has to do with the words from tym switzers mouth.

Mike C
05-10-2004, 01:17 PM
For your fuel system, I'm curious as to why you picked going all the way with a cell and external pump(s).

On my '92, I'm ending up with a 255lph pump feeding a small swirl pot from the factory fuel tank, with a larger Bosch -044 pump feeding the rail from the swirl pot. It allows me to get a TON of fuel to the rail, while keeping the factory tank and eliminating surge under cornering and braking. I considered a fuel cell with dual external pumps, but this was a more cost-effective and simpler solution for me. Granted though, my car is setup for road-racing, not drag.

Please read that I am NOT criticizing your decision IN ANY WAY. I'm just curious as to why a fuel cell (and the work to go with it) was selected over something else.

I went this route for a couple reasons but yes mostly because Tym told me to. The cost of a cell and external pumps isn't crazy. Yes the fabrication and firewall protection is a bit much but that I can handle. Your setup sounds interesting but if I presented it to him at this point he would say something like "OK, we can try it but I'm not making any promises". I'm just tired of screwing around and not doing it the right way. The whole fuel pump thing was the one thing that I didn't really go 100% on and it came back to bite me in the ass. He wanted me to do the cell from the beginning. I was the one who decided to try the dual tank setup and it didn't work. He claims that my car made the most hp of any car they've ever had on the dyno with an intank pump. I just want to do it right at this point and not lose any more time. What turbo were you running with that fuel setup? I'm sure you know how much air this turbo flows, compounded with the 125 shot, that puts a lot of stress on the fuel system at 38PSI of boost. Hopefully this should do the trick :)

OWNDJOO
05-10-2004, 01:34 PM
t25's.........twin t25's :beer

VR4OOOM
05-10-2004, 02:46 PM
no no, He has the stock tank now with 2 pumps. That is a tooning nightmare so the next step is a cell with a humangous external pump.

Thats my set-up and it purrs like a kitten thus far. At first on low boost the twin pumps were just supplying wayyyy too much fuel and fouling plugs every 5 seconds so we left one disconnected but ive had them both running for the past couple of months with no issues at all--i dont have nitrous though ;)

Congrats and that sucks all at the same time :cool :(